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  • 1.  Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 08-31-2022 17:58
    We are drafting a protocol for RNs to conduct nurse visits and treat for presumptive UTI.  We would like to bill a 99211 for these visits, but have heard mixed messages on whether these visits are truly billable. Does anyone currently utilize a similar nurse visit/treatment protocol?

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    Lauren Burnell
    Director Ambulatory Nursing Services
    Intermountain Healthcare- Peaks Region
    Broomfield CO
    (303) 514-1301
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  • 2.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-01-2022 13:10
    We are interested in know more about this also. 





  • 3.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-01-2022 17:36
    Greetings,
    My understanding of 99211 is that nurses can bill only if the care is part of the provider's plan of care. My most recent experience is that our organization has not allowed nurses to bill 99211 for an acute issue unless the provider has ordered the service or included the nurse visit as part of the plan of care.  
    Regards,
    Stephanie

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    Stephanie Witwer PhD RN NEA-BC FAAN
    Emeritus Staff
    Mayo Clinic
    Pine Island MN
    (701)240-6208
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  • 4.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-06-2022 09:55
    The American Academy of Family Physicians
    published a helpful article,"Using Medicare for 'Incident-To Rules". Included was this synopsis of the rules of Incident-to billing: 

    INCIDENT-TO SERVICES

    • Are paid at 100 percent of the Medicare physician fee schedule.

    • Must relate to a service initially performed by the physician.

    • Must be performed under direct supervision – when the physician is in the office suite/building.

    • Cannot be billed when more than 50 percent of the visit is for counseling or care coordination.

    • May not include diagnostic testing.

    I hope that this is helpful.

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    Amy Eilertsen, MN RN
    Director of Nursing Practice Ambulatory
    Dartmouth-Hitchcock
    Lebanon, NH
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  • 5.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-02-2022 06:52

    Hi! 


    I am also working on expanding the options for nursing visits. I would be very interested in seeing this protocol or hearing the workflow, once complete. 



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    Christopehr Mangels
    Infection Preventionist
    Fenway Health
    Hyde Park MA
    (443)690-2805
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  • 6.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-03-2022 13:46
    I have been collecting RN protocols and have a couple that you may find useful. They are examples ONLY and would need to be modified per your institutional guidelines. Of course, you also need to be familiar with your Nurse Practice Act to ensure you are working within the scope of practice allowed in your state - It is important to note that this varies state by state. Translation: what you can do in one state does not necessarily mean you can do it in another.

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    Larry C. Garrett PhD, MPH, BSN
    Assistant Professor - Clinical
    University of Utah
    College of Nursing
    Salt Lake City Utah
    801-367-3811[
    Larry.garrett@nurs.utah.edu
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  • 7.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-03-2022 13:34
    Have you considered something along the lines of a co-encounter? The RN starts the encounter - following a protocol - and at the end of the encounter, they would provide a short SBAR report to the provider. The report would be given to the provider in the exam room with the patient present. Then you could bill the encounter as your billing department sees fit. The RN service would fall under the "incident to" service rules and the time requirement of the provider would be decreased. Of course, you need to check your state's Nurse Practice Act to see if you are working within the limits of the Act as the RN scope of practice varies state by state.

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    Larry C. Garrett PhD, MPH, BSN
    Assistant Professor - Clinical
    University of Utah
    College of Nursing
    Salt Lake City Utah
    801-367-3811[
    Larry.garrett@nurs.utah.edu
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  • 8.  RE: Nurse Visit for UTI- Can We Bill?

    Posted 09-03-2022 22:10
    I know that billing can be confusing. it is certainly not something that is taught in school or many times even part of ambulatory care nursing orientation.  A couple points that I learned as an ambulatory care manager:
    -scope of practice and billing are related but not the same.  An activity that is clearly within the scope of practice of an RN is not always billable.  For instance if a provider sees a patient for a visit on a particular day and bills for that care, the RN cannot bill a 99211 on the same day, even if significant services are provided.   The billing codes assumes that all the services provided are part of the office visit and are seen as one service.   There are some codes that could be billed, but not 99211.  99211 could be billed on a different day for services provided that fall under the plan of care such as chronic disease management)
    -to bill for a service a patient must be established with a qualified health provider (QHP = those able to independently diagnose and treat - MDs, DOs, APRNs, PAs, CNM, etc.) and that service be part of the overall plan of care (or ordered by the provider).  Billing codes presume that allied health staff are not able to diagnose, thus from a billing perspective the nurse would not be able to bill "incident to" for an acute concern that has not been diagnosed.  From a scope of practice perspective, there are services that would be within the RN's scope to provide, and they could do so but would not be able to bill.  99211 is not a code exclusively used by RNs, it is the only E & M code that can be billed by non-QHPs so depending upon institutional guidelines and standards, it can be used by others who have the skills and competency to perform the service.

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    Stephanie Witwer PhD RN NEA-BC FAAN
    Emeritus Staff
    Mayo Clinic
    Pine Island MN
    (701)240-6208
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