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  • 1.  Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-15-2022 16:53
    I am part of a fairly large medical group (around 80 practices), and the common practice for large dose IM injections is in the dorsogluteal site. Every single MA administers large dose IM injections into this site.

    This year the RN educators and I are planning to face this challenge and commit the entire edical group to make this practice change: from Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections.

    Do any of you have the experience making this transition? How did you handle it and how did you start? What was your strategy? What was your biggest barrier? What is your best advise?

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    Kenzo Sanga, MSN, RN
    Director of Outpatient Clinical Education
    Phoenix, AZ
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  • 2.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-16-2022 13:06
    Our nurses were very resistant to this. They were uncomfortable with the site and despite education with a mannequin, were not convinced that this would be safe practice. I would encourage robust education and provide the evidence for their personal review.

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    Becky Biship BSN RN
    Monument Health
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  • 3.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-20-2022 08:40
    Good morning!

    I am an NPD practitioner providing this exact type of education to new team members as well as changing the practice for existing team members. I agree this is a difficult change but it is one that is rooted in evidence and best practice. During onboarding, myself and another NPD practitioner (Sarah McMillan, BSN-RN) show team members the anatomy of the dorsal gluteal versus ventral gluteal sites. Team members are more accepting of this change because they are seeing the why behind the change, which is using a site that does not have access to major veins and arteries, nor the sciatic nerve. This website is used in orientation and education to show the exact why this site is no longer best practice.
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  • 4.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-17-2022 10:51
    Hi Kenzo,
    We transitioned from Dorso to Ventro a few years ago when I first onboarded with my current organization. I am now the nurse educator for ambulatory that is involved with the onboarding of all new staff and only teach and check off  the Ventrogluteal site. When question about the Dorso, I back up my elevator speech with EBP is to use the Ventro site as evidence states that the sciatic nerve is the most injured nerve in healthcare. I also reiterate that this is a guideline/policy that our organization has put in place to protect our patient's. We use Elsevier Clinical Skills our our EBP platform and reference that as well. 
    I wont say that we are 100% compliant but we are getting there. I also encourage compliance stating that as this is an organization standard, if not followed and a patient is  injured where does this fall in a just culture situation, and have them walk through the algorithm. 
    Hope this helps a little.
    Tash


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    Tash Rounds, MSN Ed, RN, AMB-BC
    Clinical Nurse Educator -Ambulatory
    Skagit Regional Health
    Mount Vernon, WA
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  • 5.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-20-2022 12:26

    Hi Kenzo

    We had a similar issue in a large ambulatory practice with staff reporting they were uncomfortable with the Ventrogluteal IM injection site. As others have reported, we did a big push to provide educational resources to the nurses to improve their skill level. However, that work alone was not enough to address the change in practice.

    We found that the nurse would ask the provider for an order to give the injection into the Dorsogluteal site.  We had to work with the providers to stop ordering the workaround, not changing nursing practice. We taught the providers with an update of not using the dorsogluteal site and to not instruct their patients that they would be getting injections in their buttock. This was part of a game changer to set up the expectations for the patient by the providers. Another issue was the patients who came in regularly and demanding to only have the injection in dorsogluteal. We had a service recovering system to address this situation.

    The final work was a clarity report that we run on a monthly basis to determine all of the injections, sites, and staff who are giving them. The file goes automatically to the managers to take action. Our rate went from 20% incorrection selection to now less than 1% or zero per our monthly reports. The staff who are not selecting are addressed and the repeat rate is very seldom.

     

    Using a multiple approach with leadership support, provider support, timely data feedback, and clinical experts available to address the skills made the difference. I am confident we have changed the practice and can detect when someone is not using the evidence based practice.

    I hope this helps.

     

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  • 6.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-19-2022 08:49
    Hi everyone,
    This was the practice for Excelsior College and although I did wind up injecting the thigh (we had a choice) on a manequin during my clinical performance nursing exam I began to research the VG site utilizing varoius sites to review anatomy and other methods to distinctly capture the area. When I was Director of Nursing at a small health center I gave it my first shot figuring if I preach it I may as well teach it -do it and show everyone how easy and comfortable it is for the patient. Using a 1 1/2 inch needle - to give young women depo injections took practice to feel comforatable especially when their weight called for it.
    One interesting method to capture the site is to have the person rotate the foot inward and outward so you can feel the rotation of the trochanter. Then place the palm of your hand over the trochanter feeling it when the person rotates just the foot- then you seperate your fingers into the V as demonstrated in many diagrams it became easy to capture the site. Persons reported no pain and would ask for the injection to be given that way because of it.

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  • 7.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-22-2022 17:48
    We recently had a big education on this, even though it has been our practice. We found evidence that nurses can locate the site the best if the patient is lying down. This also helps relax the muscle, causing less pain for our patients who have to get a thick injection in that site. I really like this video technique (although my institution developed their own patient education video, but it is very similar): The video starts with overall review of IM injection sites. Starting at 1:04, it shows the ventrogluteal.

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    Jennifer Brickley RN
    Mayo Clinic
    Rochester MN
    (507)284-2684
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  • 8.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-23-2022 11:24
    Hi Jennifer.  What is the name and owner of this video.  When I click the link it says "video unavailable".

    Thank you!!

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  • 9.  RE: Significant practice change: From Dorso to Ventrogluteal IM injections

    Posted 06-23-2022 11:52
    Oh, that is odd! If you google "Ventrogluteal Injection" and look at the videos tab, it is called "Administering Intramuscular Injections - You Tube": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsoVSDpD_7o

    Hope this helps. Owner is TCC ADN RN Program: Nursing Skills

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    Mayo Clinic
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